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Рубрика: Актуелно, Религија, Свет    Аутор: Milan Nikolic    пута прочитано    Датум: 2.11.2007    Одштампај
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View of the hall, next to Sant'Apollinare the New, where the members of the Joint International Commission met in RavennaOd kako je na zadnjem majskom (2007) SA Saboru konstituisan „novi“ SA Sinod SPC na zvaničnoj ineternet prezentaciji Srpske pravoslavne crkve se dešavaju, u najmanju ruku -čudne i reklo bi se, ovoj instituciji neprimerene stvari.

piše: S.Marjanović, 01.11.2007


Eto od pre neki dan je na zvaničnoj internet prezentaciji Srpske pravoslavne crkve osvanuo tekst, „Kominike“ (zaključak) desetog rimokatoličko-pravoslavnog dijaloga -na engleskom jeziku.

Da, dobro ste čuli i videli, na E N G L E S K O M jeziku. Možemo da razumemo da se  nije se imalo vremena za prevod ali zašto je bilo važno da se objavi samo na engleskom jeziku. Da li je SPC učestvovala na ovom „važnom“ skupu i ko je predstavljao SPC. Niko ne zna ili neko neće da se zna i sazna. Evo tog „kominikea“ na tom nama stranskom jeziku. Pa ko zna engliški neka sazna i shvati o čemu se radi, a ovi ostali -neka nagađaju.


Ravenna, Italy, 8-14 October 2007
The tenth meeting of the Joint International Commission for the Theological Dialogue between the Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church met in Ravenna, Italy, a city marked by its historical and artistic monuments many from the Byzantine era. The meeting took place from 8 – 14 October 2007, generously hosted by the Archdiocese of Ravenna-Cervia.

Twenty seven of the thirty Catholic members (Cardinals, Archbishops, Bishops, Priests and Lay Theologians) were present. The Orthodox members (Metropolitans, Bishops; Priests and Lay Theologians) represented the Ecumenical Patriarchate, the Patriarchate of Alexandria, the Patriarchate of Antioch, the Patriarchate of Jerusalem, the Patriarchate of Moscow, the Patriarchate of Serbia, the Patriarchate of Romania, the Patriarchate of Georgia, the Church of Cyprus, the Church of Greece, the Church of Poland, the Church of Albania, the Church of Czech Lands and Slovakia, the Church of Finland and the Apostolic Church of Estonia. The representatives of the Patriarchate of Bulgaria were unable to attend.

The Commission worked under the direction of the two co-presidents, Cardinal Walter Kasper and Metropolitan John of Pergamon, helped by the two co-secretaries, Metropolitan Gennadios of Sassima, (Ecumenical Patriarchate) and Monsignor Eleuterio Fortino from the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity.

The session began in the Basilica of Sant’Apollinare in Classe on the evening of 8 October, with the celebration of Vespers, presided over by the Archbishop of Ravenna, the Most Reverend Giuseppe Verucchi, and with a prayer on the part of the Orthodox members.

In addressing those present, the Archbishop of Ravenna stated: “We are happy that you are here. You have the prayers of our two contemplative communities, of the religious men and women, the priests and the parish communities. While you are busy with the dialogue, searching for the path that will lead us closer to full communion, we will not disturb you, but we will embrace you with our affection and prayer.”

The Commission was welcomed in the prefecture by the Prefect, Her Excellency Floriana De Sanctis, who expressed the hope that “the desire for dialogue, to understand and to be understood, which characterizes the Joint Commission might be a sign copied by all of us in our daily lives”. Also present at this meeting were the Mayor of the city, the President of the region and the President of the province, together with other civil authorities.

The Commission has been working on the theme of ”The Ecclesiological and Canonical Consequences of the Sacramental Nature of the Church: Ecclesial Communion, Conciliarity and Authority in the Church”. This study had already begun in the previous session in Belgrade, from 18 – 25 September 2006, on the basis of a draft elaborated by the Joint Coordinating Committee in Moscow in 1990, but which had not yet been discussed in plenary session. At this meeting this study has been completed and an agreed common document was approved. The document offers a solid basis for the future work of the Commission.

On the first day of the meeting, as is customary in this Commission, the Roman Catholic and Orthodox members met separately to coordinate their work. At the Orthodox meeting the delegate of the Moscow Patriarchate presented a decision of that Church to withdraw from the meeting because of the presence of delegates from the Church of Estonia, declared “autonomous” by the Ecumenical Patriarchate, a status not recognized by the Patriarchate of Moscow, and in spite of the fact that the Ecumenical Patriarchate with the agreement of all the Orthodox members offered a compromise that would have acknowledged the Moscow Patriarchate’s non-recognition of the Autonomous Church of Estonia.

The theme for the next plenary session will be: “The role of the Bishop of Rome in the communion of the Church in the first millennium”.

The place and time for the next Coordinating Committee will be decided at a later date.

The tenth plenary session ended with prayer. On Saturday, 13 October, the Catholic members celebrated the Eucharist in the Cathedral of Ravenna, in the presence of the Orthodox members. On Sunday, 14 October, the Orthodox members celebrated the Divine Liturgy in the Basilica of Saint Vitalis, in the presence of the Catholic members. On both of these occasions the Archbishop of Ravenna and members of the clergy and laity of Ravenna attended.

The meeting of the Joint Commission was marked by a spirit of friendship and trustful collaboration. The members of the Commission greatly appreciated the generous hospitality of the Archdiocese of Ravenna, and they strongly commend the continuing work of the dialogue to the prayers of the faithful.

Ravenna, Italy, 14 October 2007

izvor: spc.yu



Kako je Ruska pravoslavna crkva doživela ovaj događaj pročitajte ovde.

Moscow Patriarchate Quits Orthodox-Catholic Talks

October 15, 2007 |

Churches Issue Document After Meeting Concludes

The Catholic-Orthodox panel that met to discuss the sacramental nature of the Church approved a joint document, but their meeting was marked by the withdrawal of the Moscow patriarchate from the discussions.

The week long 10th plenary assembly of the Joint International Commission for Theological Dialogue between Catholics and Orthodox ended Sunday. The group studied the “ecclesiological and canonical consequences of the sacramental nature of the Church — conciliarity and synodality in the Church” and agreed upon a joint document, the Vatican reported today.

A communiqué from the panel affirmed that “the document offers a solid basis for the future work of the commission,” noting that the work on the statement had already begun in September 2006.

However, a communiqué from the commission, made public at the end of the conference, explained that the head of the delegation from the Patriarchate of Moscow, Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev of Vienna and Austria, presented his Church’s decision to withdraw from the discussions.

He said his Church was withdrawing because “of the presence thereon of delegates from the Church of Estonia, which has been declared ‘autonomous’ by the Ecumenical Patriarchate, a status not recognized by the Patriarchate of Moscow,” the Vatican press office reported.

This happened, the report continued, “despite the fact that the Ecumenical Patriarchate, with the agreement of all the Orthodox members present, had offered a compromise solution, that of recording the non-recognition by the Patriarchate of Moscow of the autonomous Church of Estonia.”


A statement from the Russian Orthodox delegation said: “Before leaving the meeting, Bishop Hilarion addressed members of the Mixed Commission. In his address he emphasized that the delegation of the Moscow Patriarchate is unable to continue its participation in the meeting because it does not recognize ‘the Estonian Apostolic Church,’ which was invited by the Patriarchate of Constantinople […] Bishop Hilarion also underlined that the Moscow Patriarchate attaches great importance to the dialogue with the Roman Catholic Church, and expressed his regret” at the impossibility of the Moscow delegation’s participation in the meeting.

The Interfax news service reported that Russian President Vladimir Putin spoke today of the relationship between Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants at the Petersburg Dialogue forum in Wiesbaden, Germany.

“The Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant Churches have certain differences, yet, as far as I understood from meetings with the Pontiff and our patriarch, they think alike on fundamental issues and values,” he said. “I did not see any difference in their attitudes to Christian and moral values. That is the foundation for debates.”

The Vatican announced that the theme of the next meeting of the Joint International Commission will be the role of the Bishop of Rome in the communion of the Church in the first millennium. The date and location are to be announced soon.

The commission statement said its members “strongly commend the continuing work of the dialogue to the prayers of the faithful.”
izvor: Courtesy Zenit.org


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